Thursday, 6 August 2020

Chapter 1: Paper Title: Margaret Cavendish: On Flourishing

 

Chapter 1

Paper Title: Margaret Cavendish: On Flourishing

Abstract

In this paper, I shall explore Margaret Cavendish’s discussions on how to live. In part one, I will address the question of how important it is to consider and talk about what constitutes the best way forward for achieving the good life. In part two of this paper, I shall ask why Cavendish adopts different stances to discuss an issue. I will then draw on these two questions to assess what we can conclude about Cavendish’s views on flourishing.

Paper

Introduction

In this paper, I explore Margaret Cavendish’s philosophical discussions on how to live, which is an aspect of my wider research project on Margaret Cavendish, which I expand on in my forthcoming book, ‘Research Thoughts on…Margaret Lucas Cavendish, Duchess of Newcastle-upon-Tyne – Volume 1’[i]. Within this broad topic, for the purpose of this short paper, I shall restrict my scope to a selection of orations on peace, war, the army and gender in her ‘Orations of Divers Sort, Accommodated to Divers Places (1662) (hereafter simply referred to as ‘Orations’)[ii]. I would like to suggest that her Orations book can be interpreted in much the same way as I interpret her play ‘Bell in Campo’. That is to say, I put forward the suggestion that both can be viewed as Platonic-style philosophical dialogues which demonstrate a (sometimes feminist) thought experiment, thus they are of great philosophical and feminist significance. In this way, perhaps they could both be interpreted with the same methodological approach as they would be had they been a philosophical treatise.

I also aim to demonstrate how the topic of flourishing is the most key and fundamental concept to understanding Cavendish’s Orations. Strong textual evidence in support of this is Cavendish’s own summary at the beginning of the book, in which she even uses the word flourishing herself:

“And misery causing men to be prudent and industrious, by which they come to flourish again, at least their successors, and to show you their industry, I bring you out of the field of war into a new-built city…”[iii]

 

Part 1: How Important Is It to Consider and Discuss What Constitutes the Best Way Forward for Flourishing and Achieving the Good Life?


In this section, I will break this research question down into two sub-questions, the first question being:

Qi: Why is it important to consider and discuss topics in society?

I suggest we can cross-apply some of the arguments presented in the Scholastical Orations. The closing words[iv] of her ‘Orations’ text (oration 179) claim that study and argumentation should not leave us confused about what to think and believe. Instead, learning from argumentative debate should be used to improve our life. I think an earlier oration expands on this and captures the structure of Cavendish’s orations which argue against each other. It advocates that “arguing and disputing is a great increase of knowledge, for it distinguishes truth from falsehood, clears the understanding, quickens the wit…..”[v]. When broadened out to wider society, Cavendish shows us, through the settings and speeches, the processes taken in addition to debating among groups in society, such as scholarly groups. These range from listening to orations or delivering orations to air your stance in the marketplace, to petitioning the monarch which also involves listening to speeches or orations made by the monarch him or herself[vi]. However, this public system is male dominated and so to hear women’s orations about the social condition of women during peaceful times, we must enter a private setting. This setting is less publicly accessible, hence men and some women do not have experience of seeing or engaging with women’s debates. Cavendish redresses this gender imbalance somewhat by giving the reader a sense of what a female-led Platonic dialogue would look like. As a result, Cavendish presents a pan-societal picture showing how many different sections of society can engage in debate concerning pressing issues of the day.

The second sub-question is:

Qii: What does Cavendish think is the best way forward for achieving the good life and flourishing?

As Cavendish outlines in her opening remarks in her ‘Orations’[vii], she takes her readers on a journey from war times, battlefields and armies through to peaceful times in which society has to rebuild what has been lost during the war. As I mentioned in my introduction, I read Cavendish’s overarching argument as claiming that flourishing starts with prudence and hard work which is directed at improving life and society for yourself and others. Nevertheless, readers hear all sides of the debate from a variety of classes, professions, and ranks of army men, both during war and peace times. Cavendish’s opening claim is that people, especially men, are prone to war-mongering hence avoiding war is almost impossible, so knowing how to rebuild society in war’s aftermath is essential[viii]. She depicts this vividly by bringing to life speeches from army men who are assessing and arguing over not only their personal preferences but also the potential consequences of which course of action their army takes. By analysing these pro and contra war and peace arguments, we learn which stances lead to war and which don’t and the advantages and disadvantages that come with it. I suggest a great deal of these discussions revolve around people’s concept of the good life and human flourishing.

For example[ix], her first orations, in Part 1 of her text, immediately present a debate of the pros and cons of going to war when living in peaceful times. By Part 2, Cavendish is comparing the possible world, in which the country’s army goes to war, with how people thought about it but only futuristically, as depicted in part 1. In Part 3, we see the aftermath of war so we can now already reassess the arguments in part 1 and thus retrospectively think about the consequences of their war-mongering actions on society.

Cavendish includes issues pertaining to women’s flourishing in times of peace and shows how the issue of women’s liberty is more complex to debate productively than one may imagine. At the end of Part X, orations 127-8[x] Cavendish shows two men arguing at cross-purposes about what constitutes women’s liberty and its value. This leads us onto the following part, ‘Female Orations’ Part XI[xi], in which we hear how women themselves debate feminist issues amongst themselves. Their concept of what constitutes flourishing for women is influenced heavily by their concept of gender expectation. This makes it tricky to agree on which liberties are desirable to obtain. The woman in oration 132iv[xii] argues that women should have the freedom to “do the like exercises as men have”, “converse” everywhere that they do, otherwise women “neglect” their capabilities and shall never discover their strengths and talents. Another woman, in oration 135vii[xiii], dismisses this liberty as reducing women’s flourishing and attainment of the good life if it means they are expected to engage in dangerous work.

Gendered language and expectation also comes into the male army’s discussion of human flourishing and the good life. An example of this is the opening oration (1, Part 1) when an anti-war stance is labelled as an effeminate approach to life when downgrading that stance as both weak and undesirable[xiv]. Examples of such gendered language about human flourishing include:

“Thus peace makes men like beasts….Nay, it makes men not only live but die like beasts….”[xv]

During times of peace men’s “natures become effeminate, which makes their lives vacant, and when they die, they are buried in oblivion: for fame lives in heroic actions”[xvi] 

However, what counts as heroic is disputed with the claim (oration 2, Part 2) that there is nothing heroic or just about creating “enemies” out of people who “have done you no injury or wrong”[xvii]. This orator argues that declaring war when one could continue in peace is undesirable and foolish[xviii].

Weighing up such a variety of concepts of what flourishing consists of and how best to achieve it perhaps leaves us in a better position to form our own judgements of whether to go to war or not.

 

Part 2: Why Does Cavendish Adopt Different Stances to Discuss an Issue?

 

I suggest there are three layers (in no particular order of importance) to Cavendish’s monologue / dialogue style used effectively in her speeches / orations.

One layer is the platonic dialogue. Plato wrote dialogues comprising of two or more people who often assess human flourishing and what the good life is without Plato explicitly advocating his preferred stance on the matter[xix]. His aim was to enlarge knowledge and understanding by using philosophical techniques and methods which foster wisdom. These key features, I argue, can be identified in Cavendish’s philosophy, especially her Orations and Bell in Campo.  Like Plato, the purpose of writing a dialogue depicting a debate between people is to provide a readable philosophical forum that readers can attend at will, engage in and learn to philosophise and form their own stances, independently from the rhetorical style of others. Plato also made use of “dramatic elements”[xx] so any such features in Cavendish’s philosophy would not automatically disqualify her orations and play from being interpreted as philosophical texts.

I suggest that another similar feature between Cavendish and Plato is the technique[xxi] of using characters as vehicles for depicting the differing stances of a possible readership. I claim there is a striking parallel between Cavendish’s philosophical format and that of Plato’s. It has been said of Plato that his:

“…characters function not only to carry forward particular lines of thought but also to inspire readers to do the same—to join imaginatively in the discussion by constructing arguments and objections of their own.”[xxii]

I claim the same could be applied to Cavendish. Furthermore, Plato’s dialogues could finish in an open-ended manner with no clear solutions in much the same way as Cavendish can end her orations or speeches. 

Thus, Cavendish’s philosophy fulfils the criteria I have set out here to be classified as philosophical dialogue. Indeed, although her imagined scenarios are timeless, she nevertheless draws on classical themes. This was perhaps because classical literature and culture was common knowledge among her readership and within scholarship. The classical references add to the timeless, wise tone she wishes to set. Obviously, there are important differences too, and the Early Modern period was eager to reject the Ancient and Medieval schools of thought. However, a classical education was (and to some extent still is) part of the backbone of a strong, robust, scholarly education.      

Two, I maintain that there is a thought experiment layer to Cavendish’s philosophy. For present purposes, I take ‘thought experiment’ to mean a philosopher who constructs an imagined scenario to use as a tool to analyse situations and topics in a more flexible way than merely from limited experience, which is bound by a personal situation, such as lifestyle, gender, class and so on, which Cavendish attempted to sometimes transcend in her ‘Orations’. As Cavendish states herself, that “most of my orations are general orations, viz. such as may be spoken in any kingdom or government”[xxiii].  

The third layer is the various arguments presented in debate that function as an exploration of possible worlds. Here I am thinking more in terms of Kripke’s version of theoretical possible worlds rather than something along the lines of David Lewis and his concrete possible worlds which actually exist. The only way Cavendish’s possible worlds come close to a concrete world is when we notice that one of her imagined possible worlds is very representative of our one, actual world that we live in.

I suggest a critical way in which Cavendish’s imagined scenarios work well as thought experiments and possible worlds (as opposed to creative writing) is that there are many features which keep it general and hypothetical, helping the reader to stay focused on the line of thought and argument rather than become involved with the characters and plot. For instance, there are no character names or descriptions in orations; no action in the plot, only a philosophical assessment of life.  

Conclusion:

Drawing on these two main research questions in part 1 (including Qi and Qii) and part 2 of this paper, I think we begin to obtain a re-reading of Cavendish’s ‘Orations’ and ‘Bell in Campo’. In terms of what overarching conclusions can be drawn, I suggest that, by slotting the content of her orations together with philosophical methods and tools, we avoid the pitfall of trying to untangle the various stances and pick out which one may best represent Cavendish’s own views. I maintain that the ability to see and rationally debate all sides of an argument, whether you agree with them or not, is part of the philosophical method Cavendish is encouraging her readers to engage in. Cavendish is effectively arguing with and against herself as she writes, in order to re-create the public debates which society should be holding and giving women access to in order to be a flourishing society where its people/body politic can themselves flourish and achieve the good life. I suspect Cavendish’s own views are most explicit in her introduction so I have re-constructed her overarching claims and argument from that. She possibly appreciated how issues, especially war, are not of a one-sided nature since she had family who both won and lost at war so she was all too familiar with the consequences of supporting either war, peace or a version of either.   



[i] Liba Kaucky, Research Thoughts on…Margaret Lucas Cavendish, Duchess of Newcastle-upon-Tyne – Volume 1, 1st ed., vol. 1 (London, United Kingdom: ebook on blogger.com, 2020).

[ii] Margaret Cavendish of Newcastle and Susan James, Political Writings, First published, Cambridge Texts in the History of Political Thought (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2003).

[iii] Newcastle and James, 119.

[iv] Newcastle and James, 292.

[v] Newcastle and James, 290.

[vi] Newcastle and James, Political Writings.

[vii] Newcastle and James, 119–20.

[viii] Newcastle and James, 119.

[ix] Newcastle and James, 111–71.

[x] Newcastle and James, 246–47.

[xi] Newcastle and James, 248–51.

[xii] Newcastle and James, 249.

[xiii] Newcastle and James, 250–51.

[xiv] Newcastle and James, 130–31.

[xv] Newcastle and James, 130.

[xvi] Newcastle and James, 131.

[xvii] Newcastle and James, 131.

[xviii] Newcastle and James, 132.

[xix] Constance C. Meinwald, ‘Plato: Dialogue Form’, in Encyclopædia Britannica, no date given, https://www.britannica.com/biography/Plato/Dialogue-form.

[xx] Meinwald.

[xxi] Meinwald.

[xxii] Meinwald.

[xxiii] Newcastle and James, Political Writings, 118.

Tuesday, 1 January 2019

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Current titles in this series:

Research Thoughts on… Lady Mary Shepherd - Volume 1

Research Thoughts on… Spinoza - Volume 1
Research Thoughts on… Spinoza - Volume 2
Research Thoughts on… Spinoza – Volume 3

Forthcoming titles: 
Research Thoughts on… Lady Mary Shepherd - Volume 2
Research Thoughts on… Margaret Lucas Cavendish - Volume 2

Research Thoughts on... Spinoza - Volume 4

I would like to dedicate this book to my mother, Jana, without whose endless love, continual encouragement and support this book would not have been possible. I want to take this opportunity to thank her for always being there for me throughout life’s ups and downs and for always having total belief in me and giving me the confidence to follow my dreams. I love you!



I would also like to dedicate this book to Professor Susan James with whom I should have undertaken my UG dissertation on Cavendish. For no good reason this didn’t happen. It’s a pity we have never done research together or ever worked together. I think we’d make a good team.

Contents:

Editor's Note

Author's Note

Chapter 1: Paper Title: Margaret Cavendish: On Flourishing

Chapter 2:  Backdrop 1: Unpacking Key Features of Possible Worlds Needed for Analysing Cavendish

Chapter 3:  Backdrop 2: Cavendish within a Feminist and Historical Context

Chapter 4: Possible Worlds in Cavendish's Poems 

Chapter 5: Possible Worlds and a Flourishing Life: A Scholarly Debate in Cavendish's Orations
Chapter 6: Male Feminist and anti-Feminist Orations on Women in Society: How Do Men Debate What Constitutes Women's Flourishing?
Chapter 7: Women’s Feminist and anti-Feminist Orations on Women in Society: How Do Women Debate What Constitutes Women's Flourishing?
Chapter 8: Scholarly and Feminist Philosophical Debates and Dialogue in Cavendish's Orations
Concluding Remarks; Bibliography

Editor's Note:


The citations (in chapter 4 of this volume) from Cavendish's 1653 original edition of 'Poems and Fancies' have only been modified by changing the 17th century typeset of the letter s (which was written more like an f) to a contemporary s to make it easier to read. Any italics are retained from the original book. To read the original, see this open access book:  

Margaret Cavendish of Newcastle, Poems and Fancies (London, UK: J. Martin, and J. Allestrye at the Bell in Saint Pauls Church Yard, 1653), 

https://ia800802.us.archive.org/35/items/poemsfancies00newc/poemsfancies00newc.pdf


In this series, the following system will apply:

Orations with a capital O refers to Cavendish’s book:

orations with a lowercase o refers to individual orations within the above book




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Introduction

This book is my first volume in a series of books I am writing on the philosophy of Margaret Cavendish, within my broader book series 'My Research Thoughts on...', which also currently features three volumes on Spinoza and one on Lady Mary Shepherd.

In this Volume 1 on Margaret Cavendish, I introduce three methodological strands to my interpretation and analysis of her writings, which also function as philosophical thought and argument techniques which convey her philosophy:

Possible Worlds

Philosophical dialogue/Rhetoric

Thought Experiments

I will closely analyse and examine specific sections of her works, with a particular focus on possible worlds and later incorporating my comparison between Plato’s style of philosophical dialogue, the querelle des femme dialogism and Cavendish’s Orations.

The main topics in this volume span Cavendish’s love of science and planetary worlds; human flourishing and how to live in order to lead the good life; why and how Cavendish presents debates and provides a variety of differing stances on issues.

My interpretation of Cavendish is what I shall refer to in full as an Intersectional, LGBT+, Classical Radical Feminist interpretation. In chapters 6 to 8, I flesh this aspect of my interpretation, building on and clarifying my previous description of my feminist interpretation of Cavendish a couple of years ago.

My overarching interpretation of Margaret Cavendish is that she was first and foremost a philosopher and mostly used creative writing as a vehicle to express her philosophical thoughts and arguments. Hence, I take a rigorously philosophical approach to interpreting all of Cavendish's works, irrespective of the apparent genre in which they are written. My overarching interpretation of Margaret Cavendish simultaneously acknowledges Cavendish as the first British, (lesbian), gender fluid, feminist philosopher. I put lesbian in brackets because so many centuries later it is especially tricky to make assumptions about sexuality. However I have included the possibility because I have read plausible theories that she should be included in LGBT+ history as a gender non-conforming lesbian. One, this is interesting to bear in mind when picturing feminism within the context of an historical timeline of women and herstory. Two, it is relevant to my interpretation of her because this impacts on how I suggest one needs to read Cavendish 's works carefully so that one does not accidentally overlook the early forms of feminism in her works or form assumptions about her feminist (or even non-feminist) intentions which may not be true on closer examination of her texts. I do not take it for granted that readers see Cavendish as the first British feminist philosopher because she is rarely, if ever, referred to as such and I have seen references to Mary Astell, Mary Wollstonecraft and others as being considered to be the first British feminists or feminist philosophers. However, Cavendish predates these women and the context of her works certainly contains no less explicit feminist issues than theirs, so it seems highly implausible to me that these women could be the first British feminist philosophers instead of Margaret Cavendish. Furthermore, Wollstonecraft's writings are not especially philosophical in style and many of her works are written with a different purpose in mind, such as documenting her travels or recording her observations during a war. Out of the British feminists who were not philosophers, one is hard pressed to find many who predate Margaret Cavendish. One I mention in this volume is Makin, however it depends on how one wishes to define 'first'. Bathsua Makin (1600-c.-1675) predates Cavendish in the sense of being born earlier but Cavendish released her feminist books earlier than her so she predates Makin in terms of her works.

What do I mean by the term feminist and what type of feminism do I have in mind? I shall not be using the option of referring to feminists in the history of philosophy as proto-feminists, simply because they predate contemporary feminist movements. This is because I feel this causes a sense of discontinuity between feminist thinkers and theories down the ages and can create the impression that feminism is a much more recent phenomenon that it actually is. Over the course of this series on Margaret Cavendish, I shall flesh out the details of how to draw parallels between contemporary feminism and Cavendish's feminist philosophy. Nevertheless, I agree that philosophers must be interpreted within the context of their era rather than being transposed into earlier or later times and movements. Thus, such comparisons are intended as a comparative analysis to situate Cavendish within feminism as a whole within a herstory of feminist philosophy as well as to enable present day feminism to draw inspiration and knowledge from Cavendish's unique approach and perspective to both philosophy and feminism. A few years back, I stated that I interpret Cavendish as a Radical Feminist. Since then, there has been an explosion of debate surrounding what Radical Feminism is and what this approach advocates, especially concerning trans people's rights. I feel that a huge amount of this public debate has generated a great deal of confusion, and sometimes misinformation or misleading arguments about what Radical Feminism is. Hence, I would like to take the time in this introduction to attempt to clarify my meanings and definitions when I examine Cavendish and feminism.

One, I shall use the term Classical Radical Feminism to distinguish what I shall refer to as Radical Feminism from Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminism (TERFs). I shall only be exploring the radical branch of feminism which has its roots in the 1960’s civil rights movement, with some feminists adding separatist elements since the 1980’s to help combat the patriarchal system, which attempt to achieve gender equality without a reliance on men’s and male feminists’ assistance. Elsewhere, I also research the male feminist J.S. Mill, and, interestingly enough, he encouraged feminist groups to be self-reliant and independent from male assistance, including from his own help at times where suitable, so a certain amount of separatism in the right way can benefit various branches of feminism. Within Classical Radical Feminism, I shall focus on the inclusive (including trans inclusive), intersectional theories within Radical Feminism. I have never, and shall not be, drawing on or supporting TERF so-called feminism or so-called pro-LGB activism. Although I see the benefits of the women’s movement being capable of functioning independently of men, I do not endorse any form of feminism which excludes people who do not wish to identify as or live with the gender identity relating to the biological sex they were assigned at birth. My personal, academic and active feminism is, and always has been, an intersectional inclusive form of feminism, which is explicitly trans inclusive. This shapes my feminist concepts and meaning behind terms which can be relevant to themes in Cavendish, such as women’s spaces and separatism, which, however, I do not use as exclusionary notions.

My opening chapter to this volume consists of my abstract and short paper, which provides an overview of my approach to my interpretation of Cavendish, my analysis and methodologies as well as to the topic of flourishing in her philosophy. In chapters two and three, I fill in background assumptions, arguments, philosophical terminology, concepts and historical context I shall be referring to later on in my interpretation. I then analyse Cavendish’s explicit mention of possible worlds and references to planetary systems in her poetry and scholarly discourse in her orations. I then test my possible worlds hypothesis and reading of her works by applying to Cavendish’s feminist orations which do not contain explicit references to possible worlds and extend the topic of flourishing into women’s flourishing, social status and rights. I conclude by demonstrating how my methodological strands are applied to Cavendish’s philosophy and flesh out Plato-style classical dialogue in her Orations.  
















Sunday, 16 December 2018

Margaret Cavendish: a Feminist?



The Female Philosopher: ….Those against advanced liberal opinions made fun of female philosophers, whereas writers who advocated a better position for women often urged women to learn philosophy, both moral and scientific.”


Ed. Doody, M. A. & Murray, D. (1998) Explanatory notes in ‘Jane Austen: Catharine and other writings’, Oxford World’s Classics, p339

Yesterday, 15th December, was the 345th anniversary of the sudden death of Margaret Cavendish. Records don’t show exactly when she was born, other than the year 1623, so the date of her death is the only day we have to commemorate her life. The British Library describes her as a philosopher, scientist, playwright, poet, novelist and biographer1. So, although she wrote in different creative genres, she is, nonetheless, also considered a philosopher in her own right, in strong contrast to novelists who dipped into philosophy but were nevertheless not philosophers, such as the 19th century writer George Eliot (who the British Library describe as novelist and journalist2).

I’ve chosen the above quote to illustrate how difficult it was over a century after Margaret Cavendish’s lifetime (and still is) for women to be accepted as philosophers. This could be why she wrote many of her philosophical ideas and arguments within a creative style of writing because it would be more accepted and read, especially since she didn’t hide behind a male pseudonym but published under her own name despite 17th century attitudes towards women engaging in the public arena. This alone makes her a feminist because she’s making herself visible as a highly intelligent, articulate woman who can philosophise and debate using the art of rhetoric. She was clearly aware of the feminist issue that, by denying women fame, they were effectively written out of history, for instance in the opening passage to her ‘Female Orations’, Part XI:

“….that we may unite in prudent counsels to make ourselves free, happy, and famous as men, whereas now we live and die as if we were produced from beast rather than from men; for men are happy, and we women are miserable, they possess all the ease, rest, pleasure, wealth, power and fame, whereas women are restless with labour, easeless with pain, melancholy for want of pleasures, helpless for want of power, and die in oblivion for want of fame; nevertheless, men are so unconscionable and cruel against us, as they endeavour to bar us of all sorts or kinds of liberty, as not to suffer us freely to associate amongst our own sex, but would bury us in their houses or beds, as in a grave;….”3

This is a bold, explicitly feminist speech Cavendish writes here, showing great awareness of the social condition of women during their lives as well as how history then forgets them post humorously too as they “die in oblivion”4. There is much scholarly debate about the extent to which we can identify Cavendish’s own stances within her writings because she often presents many different, opposing arguments within a given debate, perhaps drawing on the style of Aristotelian rhetoric and Platonic dialogues, where several characters thrash out their philosophical arguments to get to the truth of a matter. Indeed, why consider ‘Female Orations’ any more fictional than Plato’s dialogues? We are not given characters’ names, nor any character description of them, only their ideas and argumentation. There’s no particular location or setting given, other than we feel it is rather like an intellectual circle where women have gathered to debate the status of women in society. Some want to keep the status quo while others are demanding equal status to men and a similar lifestyle together with its rewards. I think this is a very realistic portrayal of debates on women’s rights and role in society which occur today. Even within current feminism, there are those who, like Cavendish and myself, advocate having women’s spaces and are not afraid to be blunt about the discrimination and misogyny women suffer and how it causes huge gender gaps between the sexes. There are other feminists who enter debates with a more traditional approach to gender roles and think that there are more so-called natural gender differences than there actually are eg that women are less suited than men to logic and adversarial philosophical debates and shouldn’t be under pressure to adjust their education and so-called female style of philosophising merely to emulate men. So, sadly, not much change in gender perception and debating styles over the centuries then! Gender stereotypes still persist today, despite us now having more opportunities, education and role models than in the 17th century. Indeed, why still consider all women not to be naturally suited to adversarial, logical, analytical philosophy when we have a wonderful example in the first analytic female philosopher, Lady Mary Shepherd, who excelled in all three areas from a young age back in the 18th – 19th century! Hence, surely it is down to individual difference, not gender. After all, not all men are naturally suited to logic, analytic or adversarial debate either! 

Returning to the question of how to decipher Cavendish’s stance in her writings, I suggest this opening passage to ‘Female Orations’5 reflects Cavendish’s own thoughts more closely than many others because it is not one of many points of view being debated, but rather sets the scene for that debate, giving reasons why women need to gather together and also the importance of discussing their social condition as described above. I think not only was Cavendish an early feminist, despite some scholarship questioning this, but furthermore, I think this passage6 (where she sharply contrasts the male social condition and attitudes towards the opposite sex with women’s condition and attitudes) together with other passages in her writings, show that Cavendish may well have been what we now term a radical feminist.  

Update: To avoid confusion over the term 'Radical Feminism', I've provided a link below to my introduction to volume 1 on Cavendish (2020) in which I explain how I define Radical Feminism. The Radical Feminism I refer to in this post and my book is what I refer to as Classical Radical Feminism (my terminology) which is trans inclusive, intersectionalist, and is rooted in the civil rights movement. This is what I mean when I say I am a radical, intersectionalist feminist. I see Cavendish as being this type of feminist, despite the 300 year gap and I think that, like me, Cavendish would have been very accepting of trans women, trans men and masculine women, all of whom have existed throughout history and are often also gender fluid, comfortably moving between their female selves and male selves, dressing accordingly and using female, male, sometimes as well as gender neutral, names. I have termed this type of feminism Classical Radical Feminism to distinguish it from the newly formed TERFs (Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists) which I don't discuss here or in my book because one, I don't, and never have, identified as a TERF; two, they have nothing in common with my Classical Radical Feminism; and three, TERFs are not part of my interpretation of Cavendish, whom I consider to be the first British, lesbian, non-binary, gender fluid, feminist philosopher. 

For more on queer historians' work on same-sex relationships and gender fluidity amongst suffragists who often "expressed themselves in traditionally masculine ways", calling each other darling and lover, see: 

'The Queer Suffragists Who Fought for Women's Right to Vote" Sarah D Collins August 14th 2020 

This article also gives a list of women who were suffragists in same-sex relationships eg Annie Tinker (1884-1924) who often wore "a traditionally masculine look"; Frances Willard (1839-1898) who went by the name of Frank; the same is true of Dr Margaret Chung (1889-1959) who dressed as a man and was known as Mike. 



3Ed. James, S., (2003) ‘Margaret Cavendish Political Writings’, CUP, p248      

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Part 10 (Season 14): Hermaphrodites in History

Below is the script for the first episode of Season 14 of my Philosophy Fluency podcast.  You can listen to this episode  here . 🎧  Hello a...